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Calculating Possible Future Housing Expenses

by My Journey to Millions

The Wife and I have been giving serious thought to listing our house after the new year, and it was in the course of a recent discussion that The Wife told me she just wanted to know the “bottom line” in terms of future housing costs.  Her concern is that an upgrade to our current living situation will detrimentally affect our lives.

Right now, The Wife gets to spend a lot of time with our boy all while we are saving more money each month than ever before, all while having a lifestyle that never has us questioning whether we can “afford” the little extras.  Her, very valid and responsible fear, is that a larger mortgage will put us at odds with our long time goal of financial freedom.

Currently, our housing (mortgage, taxes and condominium maintenance) costs us about $2,100.  This does not include utilities, or other ancillary expenses.  As soon as everyone reads that number they will have a gut feeling.  Either they will be shocked that I pay that much for a 2 bedroom condo (if you live in most of the country) or you will think I pay next to nothing if you live in a major city on one of the coasts.

Since we have to start somewhere, I decided to use a standard 30year 5% mortgage, although, The Wife and I have talked about strategically using some type of Adjustable Rate Product, which would lower our rate.

Since property taxes on Long Island are not insiginficant I used two variations to provide her with a range.  Also, since down payment may vary I have provided down payments of both 20% and 25%.

Calculating our Possible Future Housing Expenses

With $9,000 in Property Taxes

House Value Down Payment Mortgage Amount Monthly Mortgage Assumed Taxes Monthly Difference
$400,000 $80,000 $320,000 $1,717 $9,000 $467
$400,000 $100,000 $300,000 $1,610 $9,000 $260
$450,000 $90,000 $360,000 $1,932 $9,000 $582
$450,000 $112,500 $337,500 $1,811 $9,000 $461
$500,000 $100,000 $400,000 $2,147 $9,000 $797
$500,000 $125,000 $375,000 $2,013 $9,000 $663

With $12,000 in Property Taxes

House Value Down Payment Mortgage Amount Monthly Mortgage Assumed Taxes Monthly Difference
$400,000 $80,000 $320,000 $1,717 $12,000 $717
$400,000 $100,000 $300,000 $1,610 $12,000 $510
$450,000 $90,000 $360,000 $1,932 $12,000 $832
$450,000 $112,500 $337,500 $1,811 $12,000 $711
$500,000 $100,000 $400,000 $2,147 $12,000 $1,047
$500,000 $125,000 $375,000 $2,013 $12,000 $913

What Will Affect Our Future Housing Costs

I know it probably seems obvious but:

  1. The mortgage rate we receive.  On a $300,000 mortgage (so the $400K – $100K down payment) if we were to get a loan at 4% it would reduce the monthly expense by $178.  This would make the difference between the two options $82 and $332.  On a $400,000 mortgage (so the $500K – $100K down payment) the payment would be lowered by $238.
  2. Our Property Taxes.  I don’t think we are going to go higher than $12,000 per year, but if property taxes were down to $8,000 then it would reduce all the above numbers by $83.
  3. The Down payment.  I am not sure if we will have enough time to save enough to get higher than the 20 – 25% down payment provided in the examples.    The Wife or I would need to have some crazy months and it isn’t looking like it will turn out that way.

Prior to doing this exercise I thought we would could be in the $500,000 to $525,000 range and the Wife’s gut (which turned out to be pretty close to accurate) told her that our sweet spot would be a closing price of around $425,000. My math makes me believe that we can go a bit higher than what The Wife thought but lower than my original guess.  It will come down to the taxes since the mortgage is just a simple math problem.

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Eric J. Nisall 12/12/2011 - 11:29 am

Dude, you should move down to South FL, you could probably afford a penthouse down here. The way the market is, you could get a really good deal and keep the RE taxes down because of it. Even before the crash, the taxes down here weren’t as bad as up in NY. And no shoveling either!

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:29 pm

South Florida? Awesome place to visit and party but I am not sure this guy can take the heat!

Plus then I would need to find a new job lol

Eric J. Nisall 12/13/2011 - 10:12 pm

I hear that. I get real pissed this time of year since it’s still in the upper 70’s all day. At least last year it got below freezing for a few stretches of “winter”

Jeff 12/12/2011 - 12:30 pm

I am from one of those areas that thinks you’ve got an expensive condo. It’s always nice to know how much you can spend before you start shopping, and jsut as important know what you’re going to be putting at risk or potentially giving up, and at that point you can decide if it’s worth it.
the amount you’re looking at spending 400k – can get you a building on a prime downtown corner where I live (4 floors high) or probably 50+ acres with a large house.

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:30 pm

50 Acres? Holy shit where do you live?

20's Finances 12/12/2011 - 1:04 pm

Yes, I know the high tax thing all too well. I hate it… If I lived in another part of the country, I would be a home owner (well, with a mortgage). But at last, I am stuck renting – and you know the problems I’ve had renting.

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:31 pm

Where do you live?

20's Finances 12/14/2011 - 7:52 am


retirebyforty 12/12/2011 - 3:58 pm

That’s about how much we are paying on our condo as well. That property tax is nuts though.

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:39 pm

My current property taxes are about $4,500 those numbers represent the new taxes.

krantcents 12/12/2011 - 7:34 pm

Your problem is you want a good school district which usually means high taxes. As a ex New Yorker, I understand the problem better than most.

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:40 pm

Thank you for feeling my pain! When did you get out? where are you living now

JP 12/12/2011 - 10:54 pm

That’s about comparable with Chicago. Though the taxes might be a bit higher. Which can always be contested. Over the next 1-2 years is the right time to look and buy though.

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:49 pm

Are you in chicago or right outside? I am 40 mins from NYC

JP 12/14/2011 - 9:49 am

In the city, but suburbs span 5 counties that all have pockets with similar prices.

Barb Friedberg 12/13/2011 - 1:40 am

If you may have more kids, the interest rates can’t be beat now! But, I understand the wifes hesitancy. This is a tough one. We left San Diego when our daughter was 3 for a lower cost of living area! Now, we’re back in a high cost of living area (and loving it).

Evan 12/13/2011 - 2:58 pm

How old are the kids? are you paying for them too?

AverageJoeMoney 12/13/2011 - 9:47 pm

I think another question here, too, is if you’re going to upgrade the house, when is the right time? If the economy continues to rebound, upgrading sooner rather than two years from now may be to your advantage.

FYI: I went to grab a beer when I saw your “new” tax bill. Ouch.

Evan 12/18/2011 - 9:42 pm

You are 100% correct…which is why we are thinking about making this move.

FYI: Writing out those numbers made me want to grab a beer also LOL


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